Yes, 200 years ago Burr shot Hamilton in a dual <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I agree NYC was really clean up under Giuliani <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/patriot.gif" alt="" />

as mentioned these idiots were around 200yrs ago, only difference no w is that most of us don't have a right to protect ourselves from them, and due to modern science more of them make it to adult hood than would have in the past.

While Guliani's progressive/aggressive approach to crime fighting did reduce a lot of NYC's violence, he would have gotten the same result by allowing everyone to carry instead of an almost out right ban on handguns.

It blows my mind how many pro athletes just can't control themselves...He pretty much just blew away a 35 million dollar contract for a 5 year deal...that's 7 friggin million a year...to play football!!!! When you make that much money, you don't need to carry a gun...have others carry one for you.

And I also think anyone dumb enough to shoot themselves is too stupid to live.

I just read more of the story.
A Glock(minimal safety),no holster, one in the pipe, and lazily placed in the waistband of loose fitting sweatpants at a dance club.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> What a douchbag!

F him....Let him do the time that everybody else would do.

All these idiots are making sure more gun laws are on the way. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

I can't see any way he could have discharged a glock without putting his finger on the trigger, and pulling it.

The article I read said he had the gun in the an ACL brace? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Sweatpants waistband is waaaay cooler. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Exactly. While the Glock doesn't have a traditional safety, you still have to pull the trigger to get it to discharge. Had he not been fingering the trigger it would not have gone off. Of course his attorney is going with an accidental discharge to reduce the severity of the situation. It is a lot easier to get a slap on the wrist for an accident then to try and explain why you were playing with the trigger of a loaded gun in a crowded night club. One shows it wasn't your fault, the other shows your complete disregard for the safety of your fellow man. Hopefully the Ass. DA or Judge has an understanding of Glocks and will see through the accident claim.

My point is the trigger is the only safety device on those Glocks. If he fumbled for the gun he could have accidentally gotten his finger to depress the two piece trigger. That being the only safety the same situation has happened with Glocks many times. Remember that story I told you guys about the NSA guy in the Homewood Hotel in Greenville? Same deal, he fumbled for his Glock and got his finger in there and blam.....'I'm stupid and should have bought an HK' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

I think on some level that's reasonable, but the system has been very much abused in the name of supposedly protecting children. A lot of innocent families have had to go through hell when they did absolutely nothing wrong. Even children that were abused end up in a foster care system that in many cases is actually worse. Our child protective services system is absolutely pathetic. I know it's generally a state system and can vary by state, but I doubt any state has it right.

As far as spousal abuse, I don't think I would agree on this one. You are dealing with a free adult. The way I look at it, if they suspect something, they should give the person all the options in the world to report it themselves or run or a shelter or whatever, but getting the police involved against their will starts to involve people's personal freedoms. And here's why.

In at least my state and probably most states, when Police are called to domestic violence situations, we were required by law to arrest someone and take them to jail if there was any suspision of a domestic violence crime. Just showing up to a house where it was reported that two people were yelling at each and when we arrive one has a black eye, that's enough to FORCE the cops to arrest someone.

Children are different than adults. They have no free will and lack decision making capabilities, so it's understandable why the state sometimes has to get involved. Even though we've been trained in our society that certain adults in abusive situations can't make decisions, the fact is, unless they are mentally incapacitated or retarded in some way, they are free adults just like you and me and the government has no business getting in their business unless they request it.

The one exception I might grant is if the abuser is on the premius of the hospital and it appears to be a kidnapping type situation, then I would have no problem with police getting involved and seperating the two people and allowing the supposed abusee the option of running or pressing charges.

The NYPD ought to know plenty about accidentally shooting oneself in the leg with a Glock. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/ignore.gif" alt="" />

But they're not getting him for accidental/negligent discharge, discharge within city limits, etc. They're getting him for carrying it without a license. I personally don't think an otherwise law-abiding citizen should even need a permit to carry, because that leaves it open for commie states (like Maryland) to deny people their right to self-defense based on crazy stipulations or arbitrary application of the rules. Allegedly it's possible to get a permit there, but you will greatly improve your chances of getting one if you have been victimized previously, which kind of defeats the purpose.

In Scott-land, he'd be penalized severely for a negligent discharge, but nothing else assuming he had no prior criminal record. Unfortunately for him, the liberal enclave of NYC and its RINO mayor don't see it that way.