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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: ScottFW] #918294 12/03/08 11:01 PM
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The just released footage from outside the club...apparently it didn't happen inside:

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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: cmonty72] #918295 12/04/08 07:11 AM
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My point is the trigger is the only safety device on those Glocks. If he fumbled for the gun he could have accidentally gotten his finger to depress the two piece trigger. That being the only safety the same situation has happened with Glocks many times. Remember that story I told you guys about the NSA guy in the Homewood Hotel in Greenville? Same deal, he fumbled for his Glock and got his finger in there and blam.....'I'm stupid and should have bought an HK' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


I have had my G22 for almost 14yrs now, and have never almost pulled the trigger by accident, and I have carried it both as a side holster and shoulder harness. I have practiced removing it from both w/a round in the chamber while on the range and have never had my index finger on the trigger. I practice both not for home safety but for the back country, since that is where I carry it. My finger is just entering the guard about the time I am at full draw.

There really isn't an excuse, because the user is aware that there isn't a traditional safety on it , and if it was common, especially amongst law enforcement, people would have sued Glock long ago and it would no longer be being used.


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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: Snowtoy] #918296 12/04/08 04:40 PM
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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: RichinROA] #918297 12/04/08 04:58 PM
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The anime was funny Rich...that pic...not so much. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: Snowtoy] #918298 12/04/08 05:06 PM
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My point is the trigger is the only safety device on those Glocks. If he fumbled for the gun he could have accidentally gotten his finger to depress the two piece trigger. That being the only safety the same situation has happened with Glocks many times. Remember that story I told you guys about the NSA guy in the Homewood Hotel in Greenville? Same deal, he fumbled for his Glock and got his finger in there and blam.....'I'm stupid and should have bought an HK' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


I have had my G22 for almost 14yrs now, and have never almost pulled the trigger by accident, and I have carried it both as a side holster and shoulder harness. I have practiced removing it from both w/a round in the chamber while on the range and have never had my index finger on the trigger. I practice both not for home safety but for the back country, since that is where I carry it. My finger is just entering the guard about the time I am at full draw.

There really isn't an excuse, because the user is aware that there isn't a traditional safety on it , and if it was common, especially amongst law enforcement, people would have sued Glock long ago and it would no longer be being used.


Boy i never said it was a bad design nor did i say every person with a Glock will shoot themselves. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I know many folks that are not dipsh!ts and have not shot themselves with thier Glocks. I just made the HK comment because they are a tactical weapon that have a real safety and that might help these idiots. Now as far as how often it happens, I've heard two stories within months of each other not to mention all the times that this has happened in the past. Yes they are dipsh!ts but the gun that is notorious for this is Glock. Sue Glock? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> I dont think so buddy as they are supposed to be tactical weapons NOT safe little purse guns for idiots.


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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: cmonty72] #918299 12/04/08 05:10 PM
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No gun is safe in the wrong hands...and his were obviously the wrong hands. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: Brown81CJ5] #918300 12/04/08 05:12 PM
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Anybody see any pics of what his leg looks like? Was it a hydroshock? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Just found this tid-bit by doing a search "Glock Safety"
web page Like i said "Notorious" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: cmonty72] #918301 12/04/08 07:48 PM
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My MIL's husband bought a GLOCK...and had no idea it did not have a traditional safety. ..there needs to be a 'shaking head in disbelief' smilie here.


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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: RichinROA] #918302 12/04/08 09:56 PM
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My MIL's husband bought a GLOCK...and had no idea it did not have a traditional safety. ..there needs to be a 'shaking head in disbelief' smilie here.


If you have drawn your weapon and have a bead on someone you have already made the decision to use lethal force if needed. The safety will be off on any weapon you use as matter of training.


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Re: Don't shoot yourself in NYC [Re: cmonty72] #918303 12/04/08 10:15 PM
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My point is the trigger is the only safety device on those Glocks. If he fumbled for the gun he could have accidentally gotten his finger to depress the two piece trigger. That being the only safety the same situation has happened with Glocks many times. Remember that story I told you guys about the NSA guy in the Homewood Hotel in Greenville? Same deal, he fumbled for his Glock and got his finger in there and blam.....'I'm stupid and should have bought an HK' <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


I have had my G22 for almost 14yrs now, and have never almost pulled the trigger by accident, and I have carried it both as a side holster and shoulder harness. I have practiced removing it from both w/a round in the chamber while on the range and have never had my index finger on the trigger. I practice both not for home safety but for the back country, since that is where I carry it. My finger is just entering the guard about the time I am at full draw.

There really isn't an excuse, because the user is aware that there isn't a traditional safety on it , and if it was common, especially amongst law enforcement, people would have sued Glock long ago and it would no longer be being used.


Boy i never said it was a bad design nor did i say every person with a Glock will shoot themselves. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I know many folks that are not dipsh!ts and have not shot themselves with thier Glocks. I just made the HK comment because they are a tactical weapon that have a real safety and that might help these idiots. Now as far as how often it happens, I've heard two stories within months of each other not to mention all the times that this has happened in the past. Yes they are dipsh!ts but the gun that is notorious for this is Glock. Sue Glock? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> I dont think so buddy as they are supposed to be tactical weapons NOT safe little purse guns for idiots.


I am not trying to debate the issue with you Cmonty, I m just making a general reply to your comment, and I didn't take the HK comment as a slight against Glocks. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Under common practice of Civil Law if you are harmed by any manufactures product, while being used in the way it was designed, the manufacturer is responsible. Therefore if the trigger safety is a design flaw for non-tactical users and is responsible for any harm that one causes to himself/others if the gun discharges w/o a finger on the trigger, Glock is liable. The same principle is used to sue over all types of product based injury, even cigarettes. This principle is also why you can no longer buy a lawnmower that will run if you let go of the handle, to many idiots were cutting their fingers off reaching in to clean out the shoot while it was running. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

response to the article:
The shooting by the St. Lucie County Sheriff wasn't an accident, it was straight up negligence on the part of the Deputy, and as such the deputy should have been charged w/negligent homicide. The deputy and St. Lucie county should have been sued, not Glock.

"You might say that an officer is supposed to keep his hand off the trigger," Horwitz said. "But it's not a natural thing. Years and years of training goes the other way."

This couldn't be further from the truth. You are never supposed to have your finger on the trigger unless you are going to fire a weapon, especially when trying to remove a person out of a car. The deputy was a complete moron for attempting to do so. Any Semi-auto handgun used in this situation would have gone off, since the officer would have removed the safety upon drawing the weapon.

The only time I could see why you would have your finger on the trigger and not discharging a weapon is if the other person had a firearm in their hands, than the split second it takes to move the finger from outside the guard to the trigger would be an issue, but other than that it should always be off of the trigger.


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