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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: StockRaider] #921602 12/21/08 05:47 AM
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Get under the truck, and spray the $hit out of the transfercase shift rod with PB Blaster.


That is all internal linkage I believe. Not gonna get much lube on anything.


You need to snatch back and forth on it. Not just pulling of pushing. Go back out there, and jerk on it until it frees up.


87 Raider 4D56td v5MT1
31's..Basically Stock
Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: LandRaider] #921603 12/21/08 06:40 AM
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That is true. I would recommend warming the transfer case up either storing it in a garage running it for a while or a torpedo heater. Before switching to Synthetic gear oil I would have problems in temps below 25F. no matter what, he is definitely going to have to put some muscle into it.


Richard E
1989 Montero - Stock-ish
1989 V6 Auto Raider - 5.3 Vortech Swap.
1987 Mitsubishi Starion 2.6t, soon to be 3.5
1983 Honda XL600R
Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: Chris Perosi] #921604 12/21/08 11:51 AM
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I downloaded a repair manual for the truck, $14.95, covers 1997-2003. Fun stuff. No mention WHATSOEVER about 4WD. I guess it's money well spent for some future issues I may have... but not for today.



Look under trouble shooting and see if there is anything about giving a 4wd to a girlfriend. Might give you a good tip. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


89 3.0 LWB Montero, 1st Gen, 5 Speed Manual, 5 Door
Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: PatrickS] #921605 12/21/08 12:42 PM
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It may help to physically move the truck while trying to move t-case shifter. Keep trans in neutral.

Ed


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89 Raider 3.0 w/ 31's for now
Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: PatrickS] #921606 12/21/08 01:24 PM
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I will stick my nose in here.
The transfer case has two internal shift rods. When you move the shifter sideways it changes from one rod, 2wd-4wd to the hi-low rod.
All Mitsu transfers have a neutral position, the units installed behind an automatic do not have a detent for the position but it is there.
More than likely when she move the shifter forward and inadvertently almost got low range the shifter bounced back. It could well be possible the harshness of the transfer bouncing out of low got it to a position where the rails are not lined up and the shift finger can not get into one of the rail or such. It is still before coffee for me this morning so I do not have a cure for you yet.

But keep in mind, when shifting from high to low range when moving you need to use a bit of throttle and double the engine speed to match gears. Like the days of double clutching a downshift. It will shift right in. Don't complain to me if you break it though. I grew up in British cars, I can do it. I still have not figured out double clutching and automatic.

USB huh, my female unit could use one.


Cheers, Charlie
If It ain't broke, Modify it!
87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989
95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one?
93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed
Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: Chris Perosi] #921607 12/21/08 09:07 PM
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Try posting your problem here:
Jay's Montero Sport board


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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: Charlie Belew] #921608 12/21/08 09:40 PM
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Try posting your problem here:
Jay's Montero Sport board



There is no one there that has put their vehicle into 4wd. How would they no what was wrong with one.


Cheers, Charlie
If It ain't broke, Modify it!
87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989
95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one?
93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed
Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: OldColt] #921609 12/22/08 12:40 AM
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There is no one there that has put their vehicle into 4wd. How would they no what was wrong with one.


Com'on now Charlie, you had enough coffee now to smack him down for posting the "board stealer" comment... Certainly that should be enough coffee to come up with an answer on how to get these rods lined back up... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Anything?

By the way, at this point, I've done all I can, without any more information. I've pushed, I've pulled, I've pried, I've kicked, I've been IN gear, OUT of gear, switching between gears, running, not running, etc...

I'm thinking perhaps there's something stupid that's preventing this from moving that I don't know about, like a vacuum lockout that I have to disable first, or something along those lines.

I will gladly buy whatever information I have to, if anyone knows where to find it, although I will take it with a grain of salt now that I put out $14 for a manual that didn't include any information about what I need to know here... And certainly I'd be happy to upload whatever I buy for the good of the group.

Incidentally, that manual I bought was the one broken link on the FAQ -- the one for the manual I downloaded. I'll gladly FTP it someplace so that the links can be made complete again -- someone just has to tell me where to send it via FTP, as I do not currently have a web storage option. You can e-mail me directly with that information -- first initial, last name, @ live.com or msn.com or yahoo.com... I used to have aol.com too but one of my ex's screwed that one up. That was before I installed EXGFSecurity 2.0 though.... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: Chris Perosi] #921610 12/22/08 02:09 AM
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I may have a solution, if the 2 shift links are like in other japanese trucks they are 2 opposing F's. In 2wd you have the right f (the one facing the wrong way) positioned lower (or more backwards) than the other. When you push the stick you pull the F forward and align it with the other one, and with a slight sideway's movement you move the end of the shifter into the other F (the one facing the right way) and continue pushing that one forward as you go into N and then 4Lo.
In some cases like in my old toyota things were a bit more worn out than they should giving the F's a bit of a freeplay thus giving me the chance of throwing the shifter out of one F and in front of the other leaving me stranded in either N or 4H. Only thing to do was ripping the shifter assembly off and re-aligning the F's with a big screwdriver and put it all back together with the shifter in the right place.
If your girlfriend did some shift-on-the-fly female style the T-case could in theory not engage Low range and bang the forks back into N and the shifter somwhere else. It shouldn't have a 2" play in it making me think the shifter might be in the wrong place.
I'd pull the shifter and check it out before you break it off by puting those 1000lb legs into action.

If I'm right then with the 2 F's aligned it should be in 4Hi and the shifter should go in the square hole they make.

Last edited by PartyTruck; 12/22/08 02:12 AM.

1987 SWB Pajero 2.5 TDI on 31" rubber waiting for a hip replacement and bigger shoes
Re: Help -- 4WD shifter stuck, truck won't move at all [Re: Chris Perosi] #921611 12/22/08 02:50 AM
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I just spent some time in the books. I expect the shifter will need to be lifted out. A bit time consuming but not bad to get to.

This Tcase has two parallel fingers coming up and forwards into the top cover of the case that the shifter engages. It in some ways is a simpler shifter than on the manual trans models.
In the automatic the spring that returns the shifer to the center of the vehicle is up in the shift extension rather than down in the shift rails as in a Xfer behind a manual.

On a manual the whole top cover must be lifted to inspect the shifting but an auto just the shifter needs to be lifted for initial inspection.
I have a gut feeling some damage was done but the first thing is to get a look in from the top and see if the fingers are intact and still close together.

One question, can you determine if the truck is in 2WD or 4WD? presuming the tcase is in neutral, it should also be in 4WD. It may be possible the 2-4 rail got kicked back into 2WD. If this is the case the forks do not line up so the shifter will not function.

What also may need to be determined, Did a shift fork bend? probably not.
Did a roll pin get sheared off in a rail? This can and does happen.
Did one of the fingers in the case bend or break? I have no clue if that can or does happen.
I do know one thing though, women, especially smaller ones can break things strong men can't.


Cheers, Charlie
If It ain't broke, Modify it!
87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989
95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one?
93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed
Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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