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Re: Brake drag, right front - please help!!!! [Re: fasteddy] #939954 04/13/09 03:24 AM
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K_Raider Offline
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When you replace the caliper, replace the upper caliper pin and lower caliper bolt, too. These are critical in that the motion of the caliper on brake release must be extremely free of friction to let the weak "stubbing the toe" of the pad on the disc move the pads just out of drag range of the disc. Since there is no "return" spring to do this, the stubbing is the only force that moves the pad away. Any binding on the upper slide/guide pin and the lower guide bolt causes pad drag. It doesn't take very much drag at all to toast the caliper and cook the pads. I've had dragging pads get so hot they disintegrated in a stop, not a happy feeling.

Mitsu's seem unusually prone to this. On even just a pad change I pull the caliper off the upper pin and check and grease the surfaces of the pin and bolt with hitemp silicone brake lube. I do the same with the places where the pad edges slide on the spindle iron - file/sand/scrape smooth and light smear of grease. I have fairly successfull removed rusty spots from the pin and bolt with crocus cloth, but you have to be dead sure you get all the abrasive off, which is difficult with silicone grease mixed in. Make sure the rubber pin/bolt accordion boots are watertight. There's a metal cap on the back side of the caliper that closes that end of the caliper upper pin bore, with a pencil lead-sized hole in the end to keep the upper pin from having an air cushion effect in the closed bore. I make sure there's a blob of grease covering that, as it is the primary source of water ingestion in the pin bore and that's what causes the rusting problem. Every hanging mitsu caliper I've seen is caused by this or a close variant, a rusted lower bolt from a torn boot.


x2. Excellent point. It's the details that will make an easy job a horrific one. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" />


88 Raider- sitting on a full size Chevy frame with 35.5x11.50x16 Dyna Torque II tractors
89 Montero- stock 2.6 M/T 30-9.50 BFG all terrains on American Racing Wheels
99 2500 Ram- 285-75-16 Uniroyal all terrains,straight pipes with no cat (yes its loud)
Re: Brake drag, right front - please help!!!! [Re: fasteddy] #939955 04/13/09 06:15 AM
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DaphneD Offline
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When you replace the caliper, replace the upper caliper pin and lower caliper bolt, too. These are critical in that the motion of the caliper on brake release must be extremely free of friction to let the weak "stubbing the toe" of the pad on the disc move the pads just out of drag range of the disc. Since there is no "return" spring to do this, the stubbing is the only force that moves the pad away. Any binding on the upper slide/guide pin and the lower guide bolt causes pad drag. It doesn't take very much drag at all to toast the caliper and cook the pads. I've had dragging pads get so hot they disintegrated in a stop, not a happy feeling.

Mitsu's seem unusually prone to this. On even just a pad change I pull the caliper off the upper pin and check and grease the surfaces of the pin and bolt with hitemp silicone brake lube. I do the same with the places where the pad edges slide on the spindle iron - file/sand/scrape smooth and light smear of grease. I have fairly successfull removed rusty spots from the pin and bolt with crocus cloth, but you have to be dead sure you get all the abrasive off, which is difficult with silicone grease mixed in. Make sure the rubber pin/bolt accordion boots are watertight. There's a metal cap on the back side of the caliper that closes that end of the caliper upper pin bore, with a pencil lead-sized hole in the end to keep the upper pin from having an air cushion effect in the closed bore. I make sure there's a blob of grease covering that, as it is the primary source of water ingestion in the pin bore and that's what causes the rusting problem. Every hanging mitsu caliper I've seen is caused by this or a close variant, a rusted lower bolt from a torn boot.


When I replaced my calipers ~6-7yrs ago, AutoZone (no comment necessary) just gave me a hunk of metal. ~6-7yrs later, replaced them under warranty, I was given calipers, pins, boots, the whole shebang. Guess somebody got wise somewhere or I just got lucky.

Re: Brake drag, right front - please help!!!! [Re: 88D50] #939956 04/13/09 10:38 PM
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Kevin C Offline
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There is a special grease for the pins. Permatex makes one that holds up pretty well. It's also included with the mits factory rebuild kits.

Also I have seen some questionable rebuilts calipers now and again. In general I like to rebuild my own so I know what I have.

Kevin


87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
Re: Brake drag, right front - please help!!!! [Re: Kevin C] #939957 04/16/09 03:24 AM
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Wheeler
All fixed!!

All the front rubber lines and calipers are new. The right front releases fine and no drag.

The back brakes were pretty bad, almost to the metal on the shoes. The drums still had some metal left so I just did the shoes, I'll replace everything from scratch next year. Hopefully I'll have more $$$$ then. Get this, the parking brake lever was on the front shoe on the drivers side. The cable was bent into a U and the adjuster was turned upside down. Whoever did the brakes on this last must have been a tard.

After a test spin and a re-adjustment everything is like new. Truck stops on a dime and the parking brake holds the truck in place on a hill. I'm happy, hopefully in 6 months I'll still be happy.

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Re: Brake drag, right front - please help!!!! [Re: 88D50] #939958 04/16/09 03:52 AM
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K_Raider Offline
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Sounds good. I bet it was your rubber lines. Let us know if you have anymore problems with them. I know I want to know if there are anyway. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />


88 Raider- sitting on a full size Chevy frame with 35.5x11.50x16 Dyna Torque II tractors
89 Montero- stock 2.6 M/T 30-9.50 BFG all terrains on American Racing Wheels
99 2500 Ram- 285-75-16 Uniroyal all terrains,straight pipes with no cat (yes its loud)
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