Extreme Terrain
4x4Wire Trail Talk Forums: Jeep, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Pajero, Isuzu, Kia, 4WD, 4x4, SUV, Off-Road and OutdoorWire Forums


Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 3 of 4 1 2 3 4
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: Mad_Scientist] #944572 05/13/09 02:58 PM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 6,896
sparkem Offline
Trail Leader
***
It is possible to have a head gasket leak where exhaust gets into the water jacket and not the other way around. My 93SR had a head job done and the person did not put the washers under the head bolts. They all bottomed out before clamping to spec. My exhaust was going into the water system and pushing water out through the overflow tank.

Scott, how low was the coolant? If there is no hot water touching the sensor it will read cooler than it is.

A head gasket job is a lot more labor. You have to take everything off of the engine. It is a real pain in the <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" />. I have done it a few times on the early 3.0. Usually takes me 8-10 hours over a weekend. It is not hard to do though. But with yours you will need to check the heads, then if they need work it will take more time.

Like said above, get a leak down test and see what you find.


I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: sparkem] #944573 05/13/09 04:32 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,049
S
Scottie2113 Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
*****
thanks guys, appreciate all the info. going on day 4 of the wife driving it approximately 2-3 hours a day on the highway, still no drop in coolant level. when I said the coolant was low, it was on the full mark when cold, I know that is full, but I thought I had it higher in there for the simple fact that it was recently overheated and wanted to have some extra in the tank. so I topped it off to just about the top of the tank, and when it gets hot, it just about touches the top of the bottle, and it has maintained that level for the last 4 days, so I am thinking one of two things happened:
1. I over-reacted and did not remember correctly the real level of the coolant in there and just thought it lost some
2. I was correct in my memory of having extra in the bottle and there was an air pocket in the system from the overheating incident that finally came out

still have 2 more days of the test to go until I make final assessment, but so far, it is looking like the smoke is engine oil since I do traditionally need to top that off every week or so.

if doing valve seals is a really in depth job, I will just deal with it, it isn't tons of smoke, I mean it has 170k miles on it, hard miles, off roading miles, towing miles, hot heat arizona miles, etc. so it won't be able to hold engine oil back like a new engine. will burning about 1 cup engine oil every 2 weeks ruin anything?


97 Montero SR w/Mitsu Adj Shocks & Rear Diff Lock ARB Front Diff Lock 4.9 Ring/Pinion 3.15 transfer box 43:1 crawl ratio 2" suspen lift 2" body lift 2" Gas Tank Lift 35x12.5 MTRs 15x10 Wheels Rock Sliderz ARB front bumper w/12k winch Custom rear bumper
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: Scottie2113] #944574 05/13/09 05:05 PM
Joined: Feb 2000
Posts: 3,269
justice Offline
Roll Me Over
*****
I would bet the smoke is probably oil burn from worn VGS's. The tell tale sign is when the smoke is mostly prevelant during startup and idling. Some say it's "blue" smoke but to me it just looks like, well smoke...

My 95 has had the smoke since about 85K and now I'm right at 200..No immeadiate Ill effects, but It took two tries to pass smog last year. I think the smoke degrades the efficiency of the cat converter and also cant be too good for the O2 sensor...Probably puts alot of carbon into the EGR ports...

So in my opinion its not an urgent thing..but not something you want to let go for 100K like me <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shiner.gif" alt="" />


99 Gen 2.5, fixing blown head gasket
89 SWB- 33's, ARB Front locker, SR rear locker/axle, SR F brakes, winch, WST Offroad Armor all Around, 2.85 Aussie T-case Gears (SOLD)
Sold: (2) 95 SR's, 86 SWB, 90LWB, 91 LWB
-Can Change a timing belt in my sleep..
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: justice] #944575 05/13/09 06:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,649
fasteddy Offline
Web Wheeler
*****
Put half a quart of atf in the oil and see if that swells the stem seals and stops the oil burn. Change the oil after about a thou.


Not responsible for advice not taken...
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: fasteddy] #944576 05/13/09 08:10 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,049
S
Scottie2113 Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
*****
yeah, i bet it is oil too, it is upon start up and idling, on long highway trips, it doesn't consume much, stop and go driving is what makes it consume oil.

it had t-belt and water pump done at 90k miles, it now has 170k miles, so I was thinking at around 180k miles, get t-belt and water pump changed again, maybe I can work in the VGS replacement at that time for some extra cash, anyone think that is worth it?


97 Montero SR w/Mitsu Adj Shocks & Rear Diff Lock ARB Front Diff Lock 4.9 Ring/Pinion 3.15 transfer box 43:1 crawl ratio 2" suspen lift 2" body lift 2" Gas Tank Lift 35x12.5 MTRs 15x10 Wheels Rock Sliderz ARB front bumper w/12k winch Custom rear bumper
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: Scottie2113] #944577 05/13/09 08:19 PM
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,607
Mad_Scientist Offline
Roll Me Over
*****
Quote
anyone think that is worth it?


I do . It is a pain in the <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> though. With the Mitsu special valve spring compressor it would be so much easier and quicker. I'm really glad I did that job though <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


'97 Montero 'LSR' - 4.6 gears & factory rear locker, 33" Procomp muds on 15x8 steelies, 50mm coil spacers, T-bar crank, Airlift, sans rear sway, 50mm rear frame & fuel tank lift, Aisins, ARB front bumper + 10k lb winch, 50mm DIY body lift, rock sliders, cut rear quarter panels...
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: Mad_Scientist] #944578 05/13/09 08:40 PM
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 2,049
S
Scottie2113 Offline OP
Body Damage is Cool
*****
well I won't be doing it, but with the next t-belt and water pump change, maybe I will have them do VGS as well. how do the piston rings hold up on these engines, basically I ask b/c is it not worth the time/money to VGS if you don't do the whole engine? or do the rings hold up well and the VGS need more frequent replacement?


97 Montero SR w/Mitsu Adj Shocks & Rear Diff Lock ARB Front Diff Lock 4.9 Ring/Pinion 3.15 transfer box 43:1 crawl ratio 2" suspen lift 2" body lift 2" Gas Tank Lift 35x12.5 MTRs 15x10 Wheels Rock Sliderz ARB front bumper w/12k winch Custom rear bumper
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: Scottie2113] #944579 05/14/09 03:24 AM
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 6,896
sparkem Offline
Trail Leader
***
Back 9 years when my blue gen1 smoked someone on here suggested I try Valvoline Maxlife. I did and it helped the smoking. I have been using it ever since in all my Monteros.


I just want to tell you both good luck, and we're all counting on you.
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: justice] #944580 05/15/09 03:21 AM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 13,649
fasteddy Offline
Web Wheeler
*****
Quote
will burning about 1 cup engine oil every 2 weeks ruin anything?


1c per two weeks? One quart per 2 months? 2-3hrs of hiway at 50mph per weekday x 22wkdays x 2mo = 2200-3300mi per month or 4000mi to the qt minimum? I start worrying at under 1000mi/qt...

Unless it smokes after prolonged idle after warmup, or at least smells strongly like vaporized oil at the tailpipe, even if there's no visible smoke, I would start looking for a leak, like front or rear main or cam seal or rear cam plug seals.

Or just quit worrying about it...


Not responsible for advice not taken...
Re: additional labor for head gasket repair [Re: fasteddy] #944581 05/15/09 03:30 AM
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 4,479
StockRaider Offline
Roll Me Over
***
Quote
Or just quit worrying about it...


Agree 1000%

My Raider burned a quart every 2 weeks and I owned it for 6 years before finally fixing it a few months back. No ill effects aside from having my own fog machine for a while. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


Richard E
1989 Montero - Stock-ish
1989 V6 Auto Raider - 5.3 Vortech Swap.
1987 Mitsubishi Starion 2.6t, soon to be 3.5
1983 Honda XL600R
Page 3 of 4 1 2 3 4







4x4Wire Social:

| 4x4Wire on FaceBook |


OutdoorWire, 4x4Wire, JeepWire, TrailTalk, MUIRNet-News, and 4x4Voice are all trademarks and publications of OutdoorWire, Inc. and MUIRNet Consulting.
Copyright (c) 1999-2019 OutdoorWire, Inc and MUIRNet Consulting - All Rights Reserved, no part of this publication may be reproduced in any form without express written permission
You may link freely to this site, but no further use is allowed without the express written permission of the owner of this material.
All corporate trademarks are the property of their respective owners.

Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3
(Release build 20190728)
PHP: 7.4.33 Page Time: 0.007s Queries: 15 (0.004s) Memory: 0.6503 MB (Peak: 0.7608 MB) Data Comp: Off Server Time: 2026-06-07 09:10:29 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS