This is for discussing ideas and designs for Mitsubishi SAS.


Gen 1 SAS:
Landraider
Lordtrunks
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showf...&an=0&page=0#Post1165424
Ncdieselwrench
http://s60.photobucket.com/albums/h33/hdchevyguy/raider/?action=view&current=HPIM0688-1.jpg


Gen 2 SAS:
Misterbishi (Bitsamissin on the Outerlimits board)
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic24604-0-asc-0.php

D50/mighty Max SAS:
Best one yet <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452534


Axles:
Mitsubishis are driver's drop so you must use or modify an axle to have driver's drop.
Dana 44:
*Many lug patterns, both driver and passenger drop.
*lowest gears are 5.89s
*medium weight, narrow or fullwidth
*Good for ~40" tires on a lightweight truck

Most tend to use a Jeep Wagoneer axle with the 6x5.5 lug pattern so they don't have to buy new wheels.

Dana 60:
*8-lug I think
*lowest gears are 7.17s
*heavy and fullwidth
*good for ~47" tires on lightweight truck


Toyota:
*6x5.5 lug pattern passenger drop.
*lowest gears are 5.71
*lightweight and narrow
*good for ~40" tires on a lightweight truck
Used overseas because they more common than Dana axles.
Must be flipped to use Mitsubishi Transfercase.


Front Suspension:

My collection of pictures I saved for reference:
This is LandRaider's rig:
front mount








Rear mount



Random Pictures from 4x4wire Tech
*Jeep YJ leaves
[img]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd25/0778drz110/SAS%20Raider%20References/raiderafter1.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd25/0778drz110/SAS%20Raider%20References/raiderbefore3.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd25/0778drz110/SAS%20Raider%20References/front_crossmember.jpg[/img]

Pictures:
unknown owner
[img]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/...s/l_f4b4e802338e4aa4ac9e327cef928eb1.jpg[/img]
Landraider
[img]http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd25/0778drz110/SAS%20Raider%20References/fktmp290156fw6.jpg[/img]
Misterbishi
[img]http://image.4wheeloffroad.com/f/99Montero/9833234%2Bw450%2Bh338%2Bcr0%2Bre1%2Bar1/1999-mitsubishi-montero-my-hero-frank-in-au.jpg[/img]
some russians
http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.p...part=1&vc=1
[img]http://www.nord-trophy.ru/data/media/54/__2.jpg[/img]


Feel free to add <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Discuss. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

*Copied from Pirate4x4*

Specs:
Front axle


Zuk = 165
Toyota = 220
Dana 30 tj = 230
Spider 9 = 325
Diamond toy = 350
CamoÆs 60 =355
Dana 44 60wms = 386

609 = 400-450 depending on wall size and inner cÆs
Dana 44 full width = 450
Dana 60 ford = 485
Dana 60 chevy = 525
Volvo = 600
Mog 404 =600
Mog 406 = 650
Rockwell w/o drums and narrowed = 662
Rockwell w/o drums = 682
U1300 = 710
rockwell w/ drums = 842lbs

toy housing = 50
Diamond 609 w/ .25 wall chromo and stock 60 inner C's = 68
Diamond 609 w/ .375 wall dom with Dedenbear inners = 100
dana 60 housing = 160


Rear axle

Zuk = 130
Toyota = 150
Dana 44 tj = 150
CamoÆs 60 =225
Ford 9 =225
Dana 44 fw = 250
Dana 60 =300
Corp 14ff 3/4 ton version w/ disc = 375
Corp 14ff 3/4 ton w/ drums = 420
Corp 14ff w/disc = 475
Dana 70hd =480
Dana 80 = 505
Rockwell w/o drums = 532
Corp 14ff = 550
Mog 404 = 550
Mog 406 = 620
rockwell stock = 692


Motor

amc v8 = 600
amc s6 = 500

buick 3.8 w/supercharger = 440

cady 500 = 500

Newstar = 300
ecotec = 310
Shorstar = 325
northstar v8 = 413
Ls1 = 425
chevy 4.3 - 425
Chevy 350 = 500-575
chevy 454 = 675

ford 3.8 = 300
Ford 5.0 - 450 lbs
ford 351 = 525
ford 460 = 720

dodge 360 = 550
dodge 400 = 620
dodge 440 = 670
dodge 426 hemi = 726

olds 455 = 605

Subaru 2.2 =270

saturn 1.9 single cam motor and transaxle 330 lbs

Toyota 20R = 315
Toyota 22r = 291
Toyota 3.0L - 360
Toyota 3.4 v6 = 550

vw flat four = 200

tracker/sidekick 1.6 = 250



Trans

Toyota 5 speed = 107
Powerglide = 100
TH400: = 135
TH700: = 155
TH350: = 120
4L60E = 180
904 = 106
C6 = 175
t-90 = 75



Transfer case

Toyota = 80
Dual Toyota = 120
Toyota doubler only = 40

NP203 Range box = 87
NP205 = 135
NP208 = 75
NP241 = 115
Dana 300 = 85
Dana 18 = 77
Atlas 2 = 100
sammy = 55



Tires


48" goodyear military tire 225lbs
53" goodyear military tire 300lbs

37in krawler = 81

35/16 bogger = 85
37/13 bogger = 84
39.5/18 bogger = 113
44/18 bogger = 141
54/19.5 bogger = 189

35/15.5 sx = 85
36/12.5 sx = 72
38.5/14 sx = 89
42/15 sx = 116

35/12.5 trxes = 66
37/12.5 trxes = 72

36/13 irok = 66
39/13 irok = 76
42/14 irok = 95
49//21 irok = 169

34/10.5 ltb = 58
35/12 lyb = 67
40/16 ltb = 101
47/17 ltb = 166

35.5/9.5 (q78) tsl = 66
35/15 tsl = 82
36/12.5 tsl = 65
38/12.5 tsl = 72
38.5/16 tsl = 90
39.5/15 tsl = 97
42/15 tsl = 107
44/18.5 tsl = 121

37/12.5 mtr = 82
40/13 mtr = 93


Wheels

15x10 allied beadlock = 35.
20"x12" double beadlock = 69
Hummer rim w/pvc = 42
14x15 steel = 40
16x8 cast aluminum rims = 21

Spring info:
http://www.4x4spot.com/misc__spring_information.htm

*copied from pirate4x4*

44044 SPRINGS
44044s are Rancho Jeep Wagoneer Lift Springs.
Length: 47" (Length is eye to eye)
Center Pin split (front/rear) 22.5"/24.5"
Bushing: 2 3/4" & 3"
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads_u...ith%20dims.jpg

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ALL PRO OFFROAD SPRING LENGTHS by Chris Gieger
Part Number, Overall Spring Length, Center Pin to Front*
TOYFRONT5, 47 5/8", 22 1/2"
TOYFRONT4, 46.1/2", 22 1/8"
TOYFRONT5STK, 46 3/4", 23 1/8"
TOYFRONT4STK, 45 5/8", 22 1/2"
TOYFRONT3, 46", 21 1/2"

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Toyota springs


79-85 Toyota front
Flat length = 45"
Front Half = 22.5"
Rear Half = 22.5"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 18mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID


79-83 Toyota Rear
Flat length = 48"
Front Half = 21.125"
Rear Half = 26.875"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 18mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID


84-88 Toyota Rear
Flat length = 48"
Front Half = 20.5"
Rear Half = 27.5"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 14mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID


89-95 Toyota Rear
Flat length = 51"
Front Half = 21.5"
Rear Half = 29.5"
Width = 2.36"
Front Eyelet = 14mm ID
Rear Eyelet = 18mm ID

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Jeep YJ leaves
45" eye to eye
22.5" to the pin both sides

I'd say that a Stock Wagoneer axle is good for 33's with no worry of breakage. ChromO's help it out a BUNCH!! I'd say that a D44 with Chromoly axles would be safe up to 38's. I run mine with 36's.

The way I did my SAS was different than most do. I sorta built the lift into the truck when I did it. I also used alot of stock suspension parts off the shelf from diff. manufacturers. The spring mounts front and rear were taken off of 70's dodge truck frames. The Shock towers are F250 Mounts from the dealer that are welded directly to the frame rail. The Leafs are lift springs from a wrangler. Shocks came off the back of a New dodge truck(I think)

If anyone has any specific questions about my SAS, setting up diff's, caster angle, setting up gears...etc.. , I'd be more than happy to answer them.

Parts stores:
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/home.php
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/index.php
http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/ne...&sub_category=all&page=8


4-link rear kits:

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-4-Link-Weld-On-Rear-Kit-p-16802.html
3-link front kit

http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/Universal-3-Link-Weld-On-Front-Kit-p-16803.html

Coils:
Coil specs and tech
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=723229

what lift specifically? I think I remember asking you this already <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> I think it was 2.5"??

f250 mounts...will have to add those <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />


Please discuss everyone! What are your dreams? LOL! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Cheap and easy!
Ford Part #E5TZ-18183-A




http://www.partsmike.com/store/store.php?crn=221&rn=1103&action=show_detail


http://www.therangerstation.com/tech_library/F250shocktower.htm

Coming Soon!
Gen 2.5 SAS:
Toasty
Yeah thats right, and it's SWB! Just need LT's SAS'd '88 out of the garage so i can build this monster.

Maybe i'll post some pics of his truck here.

Parts stores:
http://www.polyperformance.com/shop/home.php
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/index.php
http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/ne...&sub_category=all&page=8
http://www.partsmike.com/store/store.php
http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/
http://www.independent4x.com/
http://www.trail-gear.com/index.html
http://www.bluetorchfab.com/store/







Sweet! post pics! <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

http://www.precisiongear.com/toy8.htm


Ratio Ring/Pinion Color
3.42 ...42/12... Purple
3.90 ...39/10... Red...
4.10 ...41/10... Pink..
4.11 ...37/09... Orange
4.30 ...43/10... Blue..
4.37 ...35/08... Green.
4.56 ...41/09... Yellow
4.88 ...39/08... White.
5.29 ...37/07... None..
5.71 ...40/07... None..