Do you know if the dealer disables the engine and then can resell the truck to any recycler?

Auto salvage yards are pretty slick about getting around laws.

I know someone that is in the business. They have been involved with other programs like cash for clunkers and still find ways to get the cars back on the road.

For example: refineries and vehicle based corporations own lots of test cars that are supposed to be junked after test trials. The salvage yard simply boxes them up in ship container boxes and ships them to other countries where they get re-registered and then can re-enter the country. Even cars that have been cut in half get soldered back together and resold. Of course I doubt old vehicles will be worth all the shipping and slippery paperwork risks. I consider them a very small step above a chop-shop.

Nairobi and Egypt are big clients of theirs. I've had trouble getting Montero parts because cars are worth more to foreign countries is what I've been told. This yard has a contract with someone in Egypt to buy all Mitsubishis. Apparently they make more money selling a car whole to foreign countries than to crush it or store it for parts.

wouldn't you think that the yards would pull what they can and crush what
they have to? I would. Now you'll have the parts cheaper cause the supply is up. And now we can put more on the road. Doesn't sound like the environment is what there looking to help. Maybe alittle.

looks like my old dealer is going to be in a pickle soon. as of yesterday they have 41 clunkers.

So to just check my sanity I did a bit of number crunching and have determined that unless I have an unreliable clunker or simply wanted a less expensive way of buying a newer car, this program is not worth it from a $$ and cents pov.

My logic is... since both Monty's are paid for, I'd have to save $300+ in gas each month (added $200 or greater car payment + $100 increase in full coverage insurance) to even out financially.

On the plus side I could take advantage of what would 'technically' be a more reliable car that has a warranty.

6 or 1/2 dozen IMHO. End killer for this deal is I like my Monty (either of mine) far better than any car today that's in an affordable price bracket (under $25k).

I think this means the distributors will also be toast. Unless with what little oil they get on the cam gear they might be spared but....?????

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Forget it, folks. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/shame.gif" alt="" />

Anyone who is stupid enough to screw around with this program is going to regret it greatly. I won't even try to answer all of the "suspicions" - any of these vehicles must be sold to a recycler who is already involved with the EPA's mercury switch removal program (ELVS) and an approved entity. Next, the dealer needs to ensure that the recycler has the means to crush or shred the vehicle - because if they aren't destroyed in a specific time, all manner of badness will rain down upon the dealer and/or recycler.

It's also not enough that a disposal facility participates in the ELVS program - they also need a crusher or access to a mobile one - within the proper time-frame - risky if you don't have your own. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

If a disposal site is not already approved by ELVS, they can sign up, but will have to sign an agreement that - going forward they will recycle mercury switches, freon, oil, etc - many things they may not be equipped or willing to do. If they sign up now to get in on the CARS program, but later don't keep the recycling agreement, they are subject to fines. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Facilities in the state of Maine will be subject to particular scrutiny, since although these facilities do remove mercury switches in accordance with state law, none are members of ELVS. That could provide some interesting conversations.

In case some folks suspect there are any cases of fraud within the process, there is a hotline at the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) that has been set up to investigate and prosecute any who try to fool around with this. Cyber crime is also included and has its own reporting method, which will bring in the FBI and Bureau of Justice.

Hearings for violations are a little different than most civil trials - they will not allow for any discovery proceeding and the Hearing Officer is not bound by strict rules of evidence. IOW, you're toast if you get caught.

In case anyone wants to read the final version, here it is:

TheRule.pdf

This is some very serious stuff and I wouldn't want to even think about not being in full compliance - the dealers and all recyclers had better do the same.

Frank

I was going to recommend my mom do this with her old hyundai... But after reading all of this, I will just rebuild its damned engine. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

The guy I know with the salvage yard has already done time in a Fed prison. You're right. They don't mess around.

Too often greed motivates some people to play with the rules hoping they won't get caught.

This program is rapidly building steam. I don't know how long it'll take for the government to run through the first billion bucks, but I suspect not long.

All of a sudden, I'm the dealer's long lost best buddy. It's sure good to be needed. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Frank

For those interested, here is a copy of the Dispoal Facility Certification Form that the recyclers must submit - note the fine print listed under " WARNING ":

Disposal Facility Certification Form

Anyone who wants to mess with that is crazy as a loon.

Frank