I agree, but how do we do this?

Curtis, I don't know.

Because of this administration's power-crazed, drunken over-reaching, I'm beginning to have a glimmer of hope that some will run on a major party ticket that recognizes that the public is fed up with the waste of money and paying folks to do nothing. It may be too much to ask, but the Republicans have an opportunity to get back to the foundation of core party beliefs - if they only will recognize the opening that's there for the taking.

It will take leadership that can put together something similar to the once-successful, but quickly abandoned "Contract With America" style position - a movement of sorts. It won't happen with independent or 3rd party candidates, so it will have to be a movement that is clear of thought and purpose - and one which will gain independent support.

I can only hope that the time has come for rational thought and action. If not, capitalism is done - at least here.

The only 2 people that come to mind that can deliver such a message are not ideal for the job - Newt Gingrich and/or Mitt Romney. IMO, we sorely need another Ronald Reagan..... soon.

Frank

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The republicans, and the democrats sure do seem to be pushing the same agenda Frank.

I'm down with the TRUE conservatives with the fiscal responsibility, and strong military. I REALLY distrust them when they start talking about wanting less federal government. No one wants to legislate themselves out of a job.

I just can't agree with the "Socially conservative" conservatives... the "Moral Majority" folks who try to impose religion, and their morals onto everyone.
The ones that hate Gays, Drugs, or anything that makes them uncomfortable. The ones that will take their kids to see shoot-em-up 10000 blockbuster movie, but the second any sex or nudity is shown, they go ballistic, and "shield" their children from it.

IMO, NONE of this should have ANY ANY ANY business at all in the government. That's the main reason I see the republicans crashing, and burning, and that IS one of the main reasons I will not support them.

Some do think so.



Not to me.



Since many of the sexual and drug issues have to do with legal concerns and politicians make laws, I don't see why the issues shouldn't be a part of a political consideration.... on legal grounds - not religious. I do think that the Republican party has been burdened with the religious plank in the coalition.

It seems to me that a lot of today's political polarity is tied to declining moral values and societal indifference, which exaggerates religious fervor - and disdain.

Curtis, imo any attempt to "show them" by voting independent is a waste of effort over the short term. If enough people are willing to vote 3rd party over enough years, perhaps a 3rd party candidate could be elected. More likely, before that happened, the lesser of the major parties would figure out how to appeal to the independent voters...... and that's about the only chance Republican conservatives have right now. I do think they've needed to lower the volume on religious issues for some time.

I think it's fine to have religious folks in politics, but they do need to recognize that the best way to inspire better moral values in others is through their own example - not their hypocrisy.

Frank

Wait... so social conservatives - 99% of which don't care how you live your life - are imposing their views on you... but social liberals, who want 5 year olds learning about homosexual relationships in school, want to dictate what you drive, want to dictate what you are allowed to say or not - are *NOT* pushing their views on others?




All of this - social issues - impact the culture and values of the country. While I agree that they should not be items taken up by the gov't in either direction (for or against) since it's NOT an item granted to them by the COTUS. I vote on issues outlined in COTUS - the rest I try to ignore, since no matter how you slice it, it involves someone pushing their personal agenda.

Well put BKG.

I was speaking directly to Frank about "conservatives", BUT This is Exactly the reason that I can not support the "Liberal" crowd either. NONE of it is ANY business of the government. Don't think I'm trying to support republicans, OR Democrats as I feel they are the exact same body with a different face.

It's real simple politicians. Read the constitution. It'll guide you to make the correct decision for the country.

More on public option abandoned

I skimmed that and found it an interesting take - something I had already been wondering about. Obama has been a little too smooth in the transition to the co-op idea - and there are some who seemed primed and ready to move in that direction - almost as if it was as the article suggests.

The co-op is the back door method and also needs to be stopped cold. The idea of the government providing the seed money and then backing out (as they have tried to suggest) is unlikely to happen. I have never known government to back out of anything they put money into.

I also don't like Obama's characterization of the "government providing the funds". The last time I checked, those were taxpayer funds.

The administration complains about the insurance companies, but who is in charge of oversight? Why don't the overseers do something other than throw money at what they perceive as problems?

Obama keeps saying that Republicans are inventing boogeymen, but it seems to me that he's in a bind and manufacutring his own Republican AND insurance company boogeymen. I guess he really needs to be seen whipping something.

Frank

The best business to be in (IMO) is one where your income is predetermined beforehand.

So it looks to me to be just a slightly more obvious corporatist takover in order to maximize projections, guarantee returns on development and expansion, and nail down all the other loose ends within that market.

HealthyEconomyNow.org $12 million in PR and ads so far

$150 mil promised by drug pushers

George Soros - kingpin of speculati...Last I looked he had $5 mill in the pot.

Maybe that's not alot - but you don't really need alot. They've got big media (all 5 megacorps for print and tv) by the balls...at least the last time I watched tv it was all drugs and cancer centers, local hospitals etc fronting the trash that happened to be on. So there's obviously a relationship and a vested interest in pushing one side of this debate and trashing the other side...

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini