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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: 4x4Wire]
#957641
08/06/09 06:57 PM
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Joined: May 2000
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Sounds like it is time for a "virtual beer summit"..... I know David from the Starquest board, I agree the approach is a bit "smug". That said David has some good knowledge but its wrong to assume that others on the board donÆt. What I have been seeing on the Starquest board as well as some other boards is a lot of abrasiveness. Read some of the posts in the Advanced Virtual Mechanic on the Starquest board to get an idea. I think in general this is a smaller group and we try to be respectful of each other. This is one of the best boards with a common goal of helping each other out while trying not getting caught up in a lot of drama. Basically, we like to play nice. Kevin C
87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: StarquestRescue]
#957642
08/06/09 09:25 PM
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Joined: Sep 2006
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Many of the newer Mitsu ring gears are not a tight fit on the carrier. This kind of bothers me a bit but I still get nice setups. When you swapped the gear 180, did you note if the variance in the lash stayed with the gear or the carrier?
To check runout do not bother disassembling the whole diff, there is no need to and without a ringear bolted to the carrier you can not get an accurate reading. You need the ringear bolts up to torque to ensure the housing is clamped tight. Just setup the indicator on the backside of the gear and see what you get. If it is running true work on getting a radial runout. I have found some housings to not run true radially.
Another thought, when you reassembled the LSD, are the two scribe marks on the carrier together?
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: haztoys]
#957643
08/07/09 12:38 AM
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Joined: Oct 2008
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So did you change side bearings befor you found a problem ..??? ... How did you install the baerings on the case ...???? ..did you use a 10000000 ton press...???
pull the pinion out of the case ... pull the ring gear off the LSD ... mount the LSD back in the case ... set perload on LSD tighter then you would in the diff normly ... "Mike" run out on LSD ring gear mouning flang... take a "file" to the RG mouning flang ... is there high spots on the RG flang..
let me know ... Have a good day
David
Hazardous Toys inc If I were a mod I would eliminate all the rambling BS and just have this above that can be read. Everyone I have encountered on here has been great. Everyone knows something about something or has had a problem happen to them. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> So the bs just wrecks the hole thing ...
You proved that. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: OldColt]
#957644
08/07/09 04:20 AM
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Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 63
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Getting the Wheeling Fever
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Many of the newer Mitsu ring gears are not a tight fit on the carrier. This kind of bothers me a bit but I still get nice setups. When you swapped the gear 180, did you note if the variance in the lash stayed with the gear or the carrier?
To check runout do not bother disassembling the whole diff, there is no need to and without a ringear bolted to the carrier you can not get an accurate reading. You need the ringear bolts up to torque to ensure the housing is clamped tight. Just setup the indicator on the backside of the gear and see what you get. If it is running true work on getting a radial runout. I have found some housings to not run true radially.
Another thought, when you reassembled the LSD, are the two scribe marks on the carrier together? The scribe marks are lined up on the carrier. I did not identify the close spot on the backlash before i turned the gear.I do not have a fine enough tip for my dial indicator to measure off the back of the gear. I can get a .001 shim in here but not a .002. ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01361.jpg) .007 backlash here ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01376.jpg) .004 backlash here ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01377.jpg) It looks better with the lates shim changes. ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01378.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01379.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01380.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01381.jpg) In the truck housing. ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01326.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01328.jpg)
Mits owner since 1980
88 Power Ram 50 turbo intercooled. Sport cab auto 4.22 gears rear posi. Rust in peace.
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: StarquestRescue]
#957645
08/07/09 11:22 AM
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Joined: Apr 2006
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Roll Me Over
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.007 backlash here ![[Linked Image]](http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff45/StarquestRescue/Diff%20PIctures/DSC01376.jpg) You're not measuring backlash there. This is how you measure backlash ![[Linked Image]](http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6277/traklokbacklash2.jpg) <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />
'97 Montero 'LSR' - 4.6 gears & factory rear locker, 33" Procomp muds on 15x8 steelies, 50mm coil spacers, T-bar crank, Airlift, sans rear sway, 50mm rear frame & fuel tank lift, Aisins, ARB front bumper + 10k lb winch, 50mm DIY body lift, rock sliders, cut rear quarter panels...
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: StarquestRescue]
#957646
08/07/09 11:43 AM
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 391
Mudrunner
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EDIT: too slow .007 backlash here
.004 backlash here I might be missing something here, but how are you measuring backlash like that, I thought the dial indicator was supposed to contact a tooth??? Here's how I do it. ![[Linked Image]](http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p166/sthsdr/sas004.jpg)
Last edited by dannytuned; 08/07/09 11:44 AM.
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: dannytuned]
#957647
08/07/09 01:15 PM
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I think in the pictures above he is showing runout and stating what backlash he has in those locations.
Where you can fit the 0.001 shim in, can you get that in all the way around? Or just part way?
With runout as you have you may be best to strip this down to investigate. I would pull the clutches out and work with an empty diff. Check radial and lateral runout. Is the radial runout the same at the ID where the gear mounts as well as the OD? Try rotating the housing halves in relation to each other and see if the runout improves. Do you have another diff to try?
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: OldColt]
#957648
08/07/09 02:04 PM
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Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 63
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Getting the Wheeling Fever
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I think in the pictures above he is showing runout and stating what backlash he has in those locations.
Where you can fit the 0.001 shim in, can you get that in all the way around? Or just part way?
With runout as you have you may be best to strip this down to investigate. I would pull the clutches out and work with an empty diff. Check radial and lateral runout. Is the radial runout the same at the ID where the gear mounts as well as the OD? Try rotating the housing halves in relation to each other and see if the runout improves. Do you have another diff to try? Old Colt is correct, the backlash had all ready been measured and marked on the gear. The run out was in sync with the backlash variances. Run out was a little over .002. I could only get the shim in part way around. Maybe i can shim the gear to the opposite side before i tighten it to cancel out any run out in the diff case. I think i will pull the ring gear now and check the diff case. If i can reduce run out by indexing the diff haves you are saying that would be acceptable? I do have more 6 bolt rears to source parts from. Some where i have more tips for my dial indicator that i need to look for.
Mits owner since 1980
88 Power Ram 50 turbo intercooled. Sport cab auto 4.22 gears rear posi. Rust in peace.
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: StarquestRescue]
#957649
08/07/09 02:12 PM
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Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,712
Roll Me Over
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See if the RG can be moved away from the high spot on the runout. You can loosen the RG bolts with everything assembled tap on the gear to move it and then snug it up to measure. If you were heavy on the locktight on original assembly then this shortcut may not work.
Cheers, Charlie If It ain't broke, Modify it! 87 Montero turbo Converted back in Spring1989 95 Montero SR 3.8 DOHC Only one? 93 Pajero 3 door 6G75 Mivec with paddle shifted 5 speed Then a Gen2 SR with full coil independent suspension.
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Re: Gear set up?
[Re: StarquestRescue]
#957650
08/07/09 04:48 PM
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Joined: May 2000
Posts: 6,132
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Two comments..
1: measure the runout on the surface where the ring gear pilots.
2: If the surface has signifigant runout magnaflux the LSD case where the bearings are pressed on.
Kevin
87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
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