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Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? #958000 08/07/09 10:54 PM
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ghostraider Offline OP
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Ideal for battery isolation, Stinger s high current relays are the most reliable and efficient way to add secondary batteries to your system. Compatible with all types of alternators and charging systems, simply connect these relays to operate when the ignition is turned on. The battery systems remain separate while the ignition is off, preventing system drain. Water resistant black phenolic plastic, 100,000 mechanical cycle life. SR200: 200 amp contact rating. Product Code: SR200(SGP32) Our Price: $46.08


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I plan on adding a winch in the near future if that makes a difference.

I am just curious if this 200 amp style will be enough.

I have look thru past posts but their individual uses seem to be much higher. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: ghostraider] #958001 08/08/09 01:36 AM
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dolomiti Offline
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Are you planning on putting the second battery in the engine bay? I can't seem to figure out where it can fit in mine.


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Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: dolomiti] #958002 08/08/09 03:40 AM
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Are you planning on putting the second battery in the engine bay? I can't seem to figure out where it can fit in mine.


I already did...

check out how i did it here---> SECOND BATTERY TRAY INSTALL


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Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: ghostraider] #958003 08/08/09 08:16 AM
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Err, Kris, that doesn't look stock...Good luck next smog <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/nana.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: joestruck] #958004 08/08/09 12:35 PM
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yankneck696 Offline
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I would just tie both batteries together.
That way, you have less of a percentage of draw from the batteries & they last longer.
Also, you will most likely have the engine running, so the alternator can charge for recovery.
If the engine is not running, you darn well want both of those batteries to power the winch. You would have to put a switch to engage it & the solenoid itself tales precious electricity when you may need it most.
I have been wiring up boats this way for years & have better results with a large bank as compared to 2 - 1/2 sized banks. 1/2 the discharge depth (percent of battery) & 1/2 the cycles.

Ed


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Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: yankneck696] #958005 08/08/09 03:10 PM
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I would just tie both batteries together.
Ed


i saw somewhere that if i link the batteries without an isolator: they will drain each other dry over time? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/zombie.gif" alt="" />

Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: ghostraider] #958006 08/08/09 04:00 PM
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Kris, I cant imagine that to be right on all the semis and stuff they always run atleast 2 sometimes 4 batteries to get em cranked over and burning. I dont think they run battery isolators..... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: 1986powerram50] #958007 08/08/09 05:16 PM
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Yes Kris that will work, in fact it will work great if wired correctly.

Some comments from above statements.

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Kris, I cant imagine that to be right on all the semis and stuff they always run atleast 2 sometimes 4 batteries to get em cranked over and burning. I dont think they run battery isolators.....


Information from the relay supplier.

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So why do you need a relay isolator to run two or more batteries? Isolators serve two purposes. First they allow a set amount of current to travel between the positive terminals of two or more batteries. So for instance if a system was set up with a relay isolator that is rated to handle 200 amps this means up to 200 amps of current is able to flow from one battery to another. Second, all batteries have a different potential voltage so this means if two batteries are connected together without using a relay isolator the batteries would actually drain each other until they are both completely discharged (two completely dead batteries). Since each battery would have a different potential voltage they would push and pull on each until there is no energy left. This is where the relay comes into play; the relay will ONLY connect the two batteries together when triggered to the ôONö position (while the car is running). So when the relay is switched ôOFFö the batteries are disconnected and no energy will be flowing between them (when the car is off).


The batteries will not go dead overnight, unless one is dead already, but over a few days you will notice a voltage lost.

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I would just tie both batteries together.
That way, you have less of a percentage of draw from the batteries & they last longer.
Also, you will most likely have the engine running, so the alternator can charge for recovery.
If the engine is not running, you darn well want both of those batteries to power the winch. You would have to put a switch to engage it & the solenoid itself tales precious electricity when you may need it most.
I have been wiring up boats this way for years & have better results with a large bank as compared to 2 - 1/2 sized banks. 1/2 the discharge depth (percent of battery) & 1/2 the cycles.

Ed


I to have been wiring boats for more years than I care to remember. In all those years I have never tied two or more batteries together without using a isolation switch. Your statement "the solenoid itself tales precious electricity when you may need it most." is not factual. Very little current is use to engage the relay/solenoid, surely not enough to affect the winch.

In Kris's case using the above relay is the preferred way.
The only thing I would do different, is to run a wire from a +12V always hot source to a switch instead of ignition power. This way you can uncouple the batteries at anytime.

If it were me I'd switch off the main battery while winching. This way you will not spike the alternator or other electronic in the truck that's connect to the main battery. But that's just me and that's why I run a hydraulic winch.


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Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: Grasscat] #958008 08/09/09 05:55 AM
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ghostraider Offline OP
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If it were me I'd switch off the main battery while winching. This way you will not spike the alternator or other electronic in the truck that's connect to the main battery. But that's just me and that's why I run a hydraulic winch.


Now that sounds like some kick- <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/butwiggle.gif" alt="" /> advice... <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Do you guys think this Battery Isolator will be sufficient? [Re: ghostraider] #958009 08/09/09 11:12 AM
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yankneck696 Offline
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>>Your statement "the solenoid itself tales precious electricity when you may need it most." is not factual. Very little current is use to engage the relay/solenoid, surely not enough to affect the winch.<<

I see you as saying that it's not factual, than state "very little current". I see any current draw as a loss.


>>If it were me I'd switch off the main battery while winching. This way you will not spike the alternator or other electronic in the truck that's connect to the main battery. But that's just me and that's why I run a hydraulic winch.<<

OK, you see the solenoids, or the winch motor as a possible reason for a voltage spike? What asbout the starter that we use to start our cars? It is practically the same setup as a winch. Now, if I were concerned sbout spikes, I would rather have 2 batteries in parralell to help absorb & buffer them.

I attend the IBEX convention every year. I attend the ABYC electrical, electronic & communications certification seminars each year. For the 9 years I have been attending, the use of multiple battery banks has been discouraged by the ABYC. I have only installed 1 2 bank system in a boat in all of this time:

60' Morgan outhouse with 2-18 AGM battery banks. The only reason was that there were 2 heart interface inverters synced to provide 240V & they charged their respective banks. That was the owner of the boat yard's boat. It has multiple wind gens & solar panels.
When charging off of the alternator, the power feeds 1 bank with an ACRs (automatic charging relay) to automatically feed the other bank, Gen & engine start batteries. ACR's do all of the work & save energy as compared to diode isolators. You set the on/off points, hysterisys & feed bank. Also, they can be wired for remote paralell operation.

I want you to understand, I am not trying to be argumentitive, but hear from old timers about using dual banks & manually switching them. I draw it out for them as a water resivoir & after explaining it all, they usually understand.
Again: just for battery life, using 1 bank of 2 batteries gets 1/2 the depth of discharge & 1/2 the discharge cycles as compared to 2 banks of 1 batteries.
That leasd to longer battery life & allows the batteries to pull longer & deeper.

Ed


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