Main thing that torqued me off about Lloyd is that he would never own up to his mistakes, and take responsibility for repairing his vehicle to withstand his torment on the trail. It was always beating down some mechanic that was at fault. So it seemed to me that he did not know much about vehicle mntc / modifications, but wanted to act like he did. I tried to get him to suck it up, and do things himself, but he would never listen.

Kary on the other hand could not deal with others..... and thats a kinda necessary skill.

Too bad too, because there was so much to learn from him.