WOw, you aren't listening. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/mrt.gif" alt="" /> Stop the jibber jabber. I don't care what the spring length is. I need the spring arch measurement. There was no listing for the Raider/Montero application, so he didn't know how much arch to put in them. Two inches' 4" 10", he could bend them in i friggin horseshoe he said. I need the spring arch measurement, not the eye-to-eye measurement. BTW, why get used spring from something, especially something older than your truck, to put in there without getting them re-arched? Putting older springs in there , isn't that just an invitation to sagging and different heights in the back?