If you really want them I will get them of the house and Raider. Sadly it turned into a very clean ride to a 250.00 new project for someone else <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I was so ready to go snow bashing and not have to worry about 'breaking something plastic' like on my Liberty. This sucks! We are very fortunate that I saved the house and it was a close one.