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Re: Please god... tell me there is a way... [Re: haztoys] #982703 02/05/10 02:12 AM
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MontyMcV Offline
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Can't you put the tranny in gear to keep the crank from turning?


Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand!
Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top
Her Truck: 03, 3.8, 20th Anniv, 65k
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Re: Please god... tell me there is a way... [Re: MontyMcV] #982704 02/05/10 02:25 AM
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Not on an automatic transmission. you can take the starter off and put a bar in the flywheel to hold the crank from turning.


Richard E
1989 Montero - Stock-ish
1989 V6 Auto Raider - 5.3 Vortech Swap.
1987 Mitsubishi Starion 2.6t, soon to be 3.5
1983 Honda XL600R
Re: Please god... tell me there is a way... [Re: haztoys] #982705 02/05/10 02:53 AM
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Dylan Offline OP
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... Thats why I was saying to work your way up to the right size ..Sorry your not closer to me ...


No problem on the distance, I will get it figured out. I am using the next size up though, in that the bolt is a 14mm (or roughly 9/16ths), and the bit that came with the kit is 37/64ths. To put it another way, the hole was at 0.5512", and the bit I am using is 0.5781. The only other bits I can find anywhere are 0.5512 and 0.5906. 9/16ths is kind of in between at 0.5625, but for some reason no one seemed to have it on the shelf earlier when I was out looking (ACE and Harbor Freight anyway). As for seizing, I am doing it by hand, very slow, and not using much force at all so I don't think that's too much of an issue. Still, it is annoying. I am now going through the FSM looking for a diagram of the intake plenum because I have been meaning to do the spark plugs anyway so the rope trick, maybe along with something in the fly wheel might be worth doing. Any tips on taking the plenum off anyone?


'95 Montero SR 3.5L, Trail Gear Sliders, Rugged Ridge XHD Front Bumper, 33x12.5 Duratracs, much more in the works....
Re: Please god... tell me there is a way... [Re: Dylan] #982706 02/05/10 03:06 AM
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ryany Offline
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You can change your plugs without removing the plenum, but it's tricky and requires having the right combination of plug socket & extensions. If I recall you have to remove a bracket or two but not the entire plenum. Try taking the covers of of the cam valleys and look at things before you start yamking the plenum off.

If you're still playing with it this weekend I might be able to give you a hand at some point. I've got my girls all weekend and typical stuff planned but I might be able to squeeze in a few hours of wrenching.


95 Montero SR
3.8 MIVEC, Advance headers, 2 1/2" exhaust, Magnaflow muffler, OME shocks & rear springs, 2" body lift, 3" tank lift, 4.90s, TRE front locker, factory rear locker, Roger Brown Rock Sliderz, 315/75r16 (35") tires, Sport big brakes
Re: Please god... tell me there is a way... [Re: StockRaider] #982707 02/05/10 03:14 AM
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Not on an automatic transmission. you can take the starter off and put a bar in the flywheel to hold the crank from turning.


Learn something new... Why- clutch(es) won't grab enough without RPMs?


Big Truck: 00, 3.5, Endeavor, 5-Spd drive line in hand!
Little Truck: 87, 2.6T I/C, MT, LSDs, Tonneau Top
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Re: Please god... tell me there is a way... [Re: MontyMcV] #982708 02/05/10 03:32 AM
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StockRaider Offline
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Not on an automatic transmission. you can take the starter off and put a bar in the flywheel to hold the crank from turning.


Learn something new... Why- clutch(es) won't grab enough without RPMs?


I am sure Haztoys can explain it better, but without the engine moving the fluid around fast enough the clutches wont grab at all. Sorta like a hydraulic pump but not. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />


Richard E
1989 Montero - Stock-ish
1989 V6 Auto Raider - 5.3 Vortech Swap.
1987 Mitsubishi Starion 2.6t, soon to be 3.5
1983 Honda XL600R
Re: Please god... tell me there is a way... [Re: StockRaider] #982709 02/05/10 04:32 AM
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haztoys Offline
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Learn something new... Why- clutch(es) won't grab enough without RPMs?


I am sure Haztoys can explain it better, but without the engine moving the fluid around fast enough the clutches wont grab at all. Sorta like a hydraulic pump but not. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" /> [/quote]

Thank you Mr StockRaider you have been very supportive of me ..At times I hate to even look whats been posted after I post ..Thank you ...

Its not the clutch ..Its the tourgue converter thats the reason .. A converter has a big "fan" sort of thingy in it thats hooked to the trans ... The motor has the converter body bolted to it .. The trans and motor (with an auto trans) are not really hook together persay... At low rpms the motor and converter body are turning but the 'fan' thats hooked to the trans is not ..Now theres ATF in the converter.. As the rpm's of the motor go up.. The ATF 'grabs' the fan thats hooked to the trans and starts to turn it and the trans starts to turn and away you go ...The 1st gear clutch is locked up ..But the trans is not turning so the car stays still.. You stop at a stop light .. The RPM's are to low for the ATF to grab the fan to spine the trans ... A non-lockup converter is not really "ever" hooked to the motor its always slipping to some degree all the time ...Loosing some power and rpms to a point ..

A "lock up converter" at some point locks the trans to the motor as a stick shift trans would be .. Thats why all the slobbering over the lock up auto tran on the Monty form ..No slipping once the converter locks up... No lose of rpms and no slip...

There a whole lot more to it as you know ...But thats a fast take on it ...

Now back to Dylan and his crank ...

David

Hazardous Toys inc

Last edited by haztoys; 02/05/10 05:02 AM.
Some measurable progress!!! [Re: Dylan] #982710 02/05/10 11:07 PM
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Dylan Offline OP
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I really do not wish to curse myself (so any gods, Murphy, any master of fate listening, please don't curse me, it's not my fault there are no finger crossed or knocking on wood icons!), but there has been some progress here. I have been taking things VERY slowly, and I am at a point that feels momentous. THE TIME-SERT IS IN!!!!

All the worry about lining up the drill bit turned out to be unnecessary. After about the first two mm, it couldn't be wiggled if one tried. It just cut in and carved a clean straight path the whole way. The point near the back where it started turning the engine wasn't as big of an issue as I feared either. Yes, I took off the fly wheel inspection hatch and blocked the teeth there AND took out the spark plugs and blocked them too for safety (hey, I wanted to change plugs anyway). After the drill, I cleaned the hole, ran my magnet through and waited for the brake cleaner to dry while I inspected the rest of the car. Then more cutting oil and the counter sink tool. More cleaning, then the tap. I stressed and stressed about getting it lined up just so, making sure I could put some leverage on it (but not too much!), and more cutting oil. Well it turns out it will bight in straight and not budge either after the first turn.

But it cut just like butter. I mean very smooth, all the way to the back of the hole. Then I cleaned some more, and extra good this time. Several blasts with brake cleaner to get all the oil out, as well as several swabs with lint free bits and several passes with the little magnet. Test fitting the insert, it went in just as clean as you can hope. Double checking that the hole was clean and oil free, I put the high temp, most permanent thread locker on the insert and ran her on home by hand and it went in all but the tiniest of a fraction. Oiled the insert tool like the directions say, and with a slight hesitation, it sat in completely flush and VERY tight. I immediately swabbed the oil back out to make sure it does not seep around and interfere with the thread locker, and now I am waiting for it to set up before I start putting the car back together. I sure hope I am done for an awful long time!


'95 Montero SR 3.5L, Trail Gear Sliders, Rugged Ridge XHD Front Bumper, 33x12.5 Duratracs, much more in the works....
Re: Some measurable progress!!! [Re: Dylan] #982711 02/05/10 11:37 PM
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Kevin C Offline
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Great to hear!

My experience with drilling cast iron is the bit likes to self feed. Esp when enlarging a hole. That probably explains it wanting to turn the engine over.

The other thing with cast iron is the graphite that breaks free as you drill and tap it helps to lubricate the cutters.

Really glad to here you were able to get the insert in! I was scared to read your posting.... I didnt want to hear a sad story!

Kevin


87 Turbo Intercooled Raider, roller cam, torsen rear diff, LSD front diff, lockup auto with modified converter, V6 brakes, low transfer case gears...
Re: Some measurable progress!!! [Re: Kevin C] #982712 02/05/10 11:47 PM
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JohnnyBfromPeoria Offline
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YES!

John B.

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