Danny, I'm still trying to get my head wrapped around this off-roading stuff. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" /> On your sliders, you only have 1 bar that runs front to rear, but most have 2 per side. In my head, since I've never seen them used,you have the frame, the middle bar and the rocker panel bar that allows it to slide over a tree or rock. Is your design going to make that happen? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Sorry, but like I said I've never seen them in use.