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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: 87Montero]
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04/19/10 04:36 PM
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I had a similar issue in the past.. But in my case it was this with a bad connection (minor corrosion) that would kill the spark, but when wiggled, the truck would start just fine..
BTW, that's one clean engine! Lets see some of the rest of the truck.. welcome to the forum. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> Thanks, I've been here before, some of you might remember me, I moved and got a new computer and could not recover my user info, got no help from wire when I emailed. Anyway here are two posts with pics from before. http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.p...rt=all&vc=1http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/showflat.p...rt=all&vc=1
1989 SWB V6 5 speed 230K
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: BoiseMontero]
#994138
04/19/10 04:45 PM
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Last edited by BoiseMontero; 04/19/10 04:47 PM.
1989 SWB V6 5 speed 230K
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: BoiseMontero]
#994139
04/19/10 04:59 PM
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Joined: Jan 2001
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Logic says that his is an electrical thermal fault, triggered by a hot soak. Logic is useful, as it is the best way of going wrong with confidence...
You find this kind of fault with something to cool components one at a time. I used to use r12 for this, before it went to $20/lb. r134 will work, too. Tap a can with a valved hose and run the truck up to operating temp, shut it down, and wait until it won't crank, then cool suspected components/connectors until it cranks and do this one at a time until you find it, attempting cranking each time.
I'd try the coil and power transistor and connectors, the doodads in the distributor, the tach connector, the electronic gizmos on the bottom of the coil bracket, and the engine harness connectors at the firewall. ECU last.
I assume you checked the ecu boards for evidence of capacitor leakage and board trace damage?
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: fasteddy]
#994140
04/19/10 05:09 PM
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Joined: Mar 2010
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Logic says that his is an electrical thermal fault, triggered by a hot soak. Logic is useful, as it is the best way of going wrong with confidence...
You find this kind of fault with something to cool components one at a time. I used to use r12 for this, before it went to $20/lb. r134 will work, too. Tap a can with a valved hose and run the truck up to operating temp, shut it down, and wait until it won't crank, then cool suspected components/connectors until it cranks and do this one at a time until you find it, attempting cranking each time.
I'd try the coil and power transistor and connectors, the doodads in the distributor, the tach connector, the electronic gizmos on the bottom of the coil bracket, and the engine harness connectors at the firewall. ECU last.
I assume you checked the ecu boards for evidence of capacitor leakage and board trace damage? Yes, opened up my ecu last night and couldn't see anything wrong, but from reading more it may not look like anything is wrong to be bad. I just ordered a rebuilt one with lifetime warranty. In a few days maybe I'll know something. Does anyone want my extra ecu? It's from a '90 Montero V6 5 speed and won't work in mine. I paid $300, I'd sell for $200 shipped, I guarantee it to be good, or your money back.
1989 SWB V6 5 speed 230K
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: BoiseMontero]
#994141
04/20/10 12:52 AM
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Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 60
Getting the Wheeling Fever
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I haven't read all the posts so if this is duplicate info sorry. My similar problem was the distributer electronics. Cracked circuit board or sensor. Pricey replacement but it fixed my random no start problem.
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: toyhooter]
#994142
04/20/10 01:39 AM
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I haven't read all the posts so if this is duplicate info sorry. My similar problem was the distributer electronics. Cracked circuit board or sensor. Pricey replacement but it fixed my random no start problem. do you remember what the part was called, or where it is located? Under distributor?
1989 SWB V6 5 speed 230K
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: BoiseMontero]
#994143
04/20/10 02:09 AM
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Joined: Apr 2007
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Unfortunatley it is called the "distributer assembly". To see the lurking time bomb, pull the cap and rotor. If I remember correctly there is a small round cover that can be removed. The hall effect/magnetic electronics are lurking under the cover. On mine I was frustrated so I tightened some screws on the ckt board. That action made the electronics fail enough so I could get a trouble code. Before I futzed with it the failing to start was random and infrequent and making me crazy.
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"I didn't do it, you didn't see me, you can't prove it." Bart Simpson
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: BoiseMontero]
#994144
04/20/10 02:17 AM
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Joined: Jan 2009
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If its electronic and in the dizzy it is called the crank angle sensor. It ultilizes a special optical based rotor and sensor. This part is pricy and is the only "real" electonic component in the distributer. It is located under the rotor, under the dust cover. I think its commonly called the crank angle sensor, ignition control module, or ignition pickup. Im not familar with testing this piece other then replacing it though, sorry.
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: Renegade]
#994145
04/20/10 02:48 AM
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Joined: Mar 2010
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If its electronic and in the dizzy it is called the crank angle sensor. It ultilizes a special optical based rotor and sensor. This part is pricy and is the only "real" electonic component in the distributer. It is located under the rotor, under the dust cover. I think its commonly called the crank angle sensor, ignition control module, or ignition pickup. Im not familar with testing this piece other then replacing it though, sorry. of those parts I can only find the ignition control module on rockauto.com website and I've just put a new icm on.
1989 SWB V6 5 speed 230K
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Re: Random No Start, Gen 1 V6, all electrics replaced.
[Re: BoiseMontero]
#994146
04/20/10 03:02 AM
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Joined: Jan 2001
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There's not even a test method or removal method in the fsm. I think there's two photoelectic sensors in the dizzy housing. There's a coarse slotted wheel and a fine slotted wheel, one being the tdc sensor and the other the crank angle sensor. There's not a lot to go wrong with them, sinde the light source is an led and the sensor is a photocell, so I'd recheck the connector in the bottom of the dizzy for corrosion, and check the dizzy guts for dirt on the led/photocell.
The icm you put on is just an electronic switch, a power transistor, the black box on the coil bracket, that turns on and off the coil connection from coil- to ground to trigger the spark. Sounds like time for a junkyard distributor.
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