I would not say that Pardoe, Deer Valley and Slick Rock are "hard core". I was there in a mild shiny vehicle and there was no damage and I did not get stuck.

Pardoe is especially easy. A fella on a stock open 1st-generation Isuzu Trooper, with manual tranny, without rock sliders, on stock tires, did Pardoe trail just fine. I dented a little my rear right fender on a tree because the trees stand very close there. As they get thicker every year, the gap is getting smaller <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Rubicon is in a totally different league.

Ray, you probably have to go to Rubicon.