.....and the testing?


I'm with Justice on this one. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/scared.gif" alt="" />

I've always thought....the less lift the better and since we can put 33 on these things stock and 37s with a 3" BL then we are already set IMO. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif" alt="" />

I agree that many questions remain unanswered. I'm not sure why he hasn't posted back but perhaps he's been busy installing a 10" lift? <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

Doubt is a healthy thing but also keep in mind we've already called him a spammer when he first posted only to learn that he really is producing a 10" lift kit.

That said, I'm not sure he deserves the level of negativity many of us are giving him. So lets try and keep things in perspective. If you have some design feedback for him, great. I'm sure he's open to hearing it especially if he expects to sell a product like this to off road enthusiasts but lets try to keep our tone a bit more even keeled. <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

Oh, and I've already told him that for my wheeling needs a 4-6" lift would be more than plenty since the biggest tire I'd want to run would be a 38 or at most a 39 but I'm not sure our gearing would be sufficient for much beyond that.

Well, where to start? I have a complete fab shop at my disposal. it was ready to go into production. All the negative feedback discouraged me. But only a little. I had it set up to mount toyota upper control arms--- scrapped--- built upper tubular arm to recieve torsions. still debating wether to use those in the kit or coilovers. I am now starting almost from the begining. the rears are 2x3 3/16 box sliders with a coil made by pol spring. at this time i have driveshaft spacers 2" upgradable to extended drive shafts. i have strut braces that mount from the rear of lift above lower control arm to the frame. with this kit it offers great clearance for 38" tires room to tuck. i hate body lifts. i really dislike negative feedback. if you have any ideas or design suggestions i am completely open. if you are not interested go read another post. Oh and thank you for all the positive feedback and ideas.

I'm in sales. I receive "negative feedback" all the time. Try to see it as someone offering an opportunity for you to overcome their objections by resolving their concerns. Either you'll have to explain why you did it this way or make changes to satisfy what people are commenting on. That's just the way it goes, and you have the means to do either.

I kind of dig the whole idea you're working on here. I would like to see one completed.

John B.

Then sales ain't your gig. Get thicker skinned and keep doing what you're doing. It's different than what most have done or even thought about doing, which isn't necessarily a bad thing...

good luck guys. all was looking for is motivation to build something that would help montero enthusiasts. not to be brought down. its not about the money. i will move on to something else. as for the other 9 lifts that i have right now. i guess i will find some guys that like the idea for cost. have a great day im out

Not the response I was expecting, but whatever. I hear Kleenex is looking for someone to sponsor...

Don't feel down man, they're just hating because you have a 10" while they have a small 3" <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/lol.gif" alt="" />

I do agree 10" is too big for most, BUT as a way to gather business A LOT of shops have big lifted trucks that sit out front.

Since nobody wants the 10", I would run whatever works, coilovers and a wide tubular UCA would probably be easiest.
Otherwise it looks like you have it all worked out. I'm sure there will be more interest when you are finished <img src="/forums/images/graemlins/kewl.gif" alt="" />

I think that a kit with ~5" drop to fit some long arm suspension would be nice.

Even a DIY SAS kit would be cool, leaf or coil bracket that fit a mitsu frame that just needs to welded one would be good.

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I think comments like this really ought to go on Pirate rather than here.

I know you don't know who's who here but I suggest speaking with specific individuals on the forum first about the lift to get the right feedback on it's design before putting it in front of the 4x4wire firing line. Look for those who view the world as half full versus half empty. They'll be the ones who give you the positive reinforcement as well as constructive criticism versus destructive criticism.

As for sales and having a thick skin, yes comments like that are told to sales people and it's why sales people are the ones talking to clients and not our engineers.

Had he posted he was in the process of working on a 10" lift we would have been more helpful like we are with every newbie to 4x4wire.

The initial post was misleading.....He was talking money before he ever explained a thing about it....what if we had sent him our money???? it doesn't look finished, hell it doesn't even look figured out let alone "shipped in 10 days" and that is why are a little cautious.

If he can't handle cautious consumers then he can't handle internet sales.....especially asking that kind of money.

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